i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
Punk- " I'm confused. punk shuffles away and leaves quietly"
And the Rebel uses this to assume you were talking about " Onus Probandi" which you weren't.
Anyway in my definition Viviane " Onus Probandi" is a legal term shifting the burden of proof a person needs to proove their claim?
The Rebel.
p.s Morpheus i am not foolish enough to tankle with Viv, I am only trying to ask sincere questions.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
Punk " The relevance of dust and bananas was explained well by the Rebel"
Punk ( Q) Reb,what did you say?
The Rebel ( A) Actually " Tecnaciousan " I believe was replying to my response to his mustard seed comment.
The Rebel.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
Thanks for the quick reply Viviane. Am I therefore to assume you are saying the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim? If that is the case and you were to say "God does not exist" could you prove that?
The Rebel.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
Viviane I am a little lost in the formation of your assertion. It appears to me you are simply stating your personal assurance God does not exist? I am sorry if I appear argumentative, ( I am new to not believing in God) please clarify how does your assertion prove or not prove the existence of God?
The Rebel.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
That which is supported by mere opinion can also be dismissed by mere opinion.
So here is my challenge, how can we prove or not prove this existence of a being whose non existence is inconcivable?
The Rebel.
being raised a catholic we had lots of crosses around the house.
when my family converted to this cult they were all removed and destroyed in case they had demons in them lol but at this juncture in my life i do not even know if jesus as the way he is portrayed in the bible was real.
yes a man named jesus did live and die 2000 years ago and probably on a cross but he was definitely not the son of god.
If Christians believe Jesus was an innocent victim of the death penalty, then why are so many Christians pro the death penalty?
The Rebel.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
Anyway as we are coming up to Xmas, let's get in the Christmas spirit and assume Santa Clause is the all powerful God. I mean it could be argued that he controls almost 20% of world fiscal activity. But then again point taken " Cofty" this is is not really adding to " a useful conversation"
The Rebel.
when someone interacts with you they can influence your thoughts and also manipulate your thinking.
i became aware that this is what i was doing with householders on the ministry.
we chipped away at householders with manipulation, and called it a return call.
Darkknight757 " By what you are saying I see why."
Absolutely, and this is why when the watchtower is willing to disfellowship "YOU", to preserve its secrets and prevent exposure. Therefore we need to be aware of the psychological manipulation and not be intimidated by the threats. Also I think it's important that if possible we do not become angry and unstable, as this is only giving the watchtower the victory.
The Waychtower controls " YOU" by threats, fear and humiliation. One of the strongest threats and fear it controls " YOU" by is the consequence of disfellowshipping, which can destroy " YOUR" family relationships.
The Rebel.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
Punkofnice " This so one of THOSE threads!
Agreed, when I play chess it's always with an end game in mind, and I have never read a thread that proves or disproves the existence of God. Maybe both sides need a better lawyer?
The Rebel.
because it wasn't true anyway.
it was a dream.
the insanest dream, to believe that i was going to live forever.. but today i am alive, and i am determined to travel the seconds between life and death aware of my mortality.
Anyway this thread is proof that " sometimes things that are too good to be true,can be true" This thread is therefore dedicated to all the posters, and lurkers who won't let the Watchtower stand in their way to a better future.
There is no better way to live life than being true to yourself.
The Rebel.
